'We want to
ensure that there's absolutely no confusion between any religions as such and
the exploitation of religion for terrorist purposes.'
Jakarta Globe, Basten Gokkon, Jan 16, 2015
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| French Finance Minister Michel Sapin. (JG Photo/Afriadi Hikmal) |
French
Finance Minister Michel Sapin arrived in Jakarta on Friday on a whirlwind
mission meant to build on a strategic bilateral partnership with Indonesia.
In an
exclusive interview with the Jakarta Globe at the French Embassy in Jakarta,
Sapin praised Indonesia’s outspoken condemnation of the Charlie Hebdo massacre
and said that as the world’s biggest Muslim-majority country, Indonesia could
make a great impact in the fight against global terrorism.
Q: Tell us
about your trip to Indonesia today.
A: I met
with the vice president [Jusuf Kalla] this morning and also with the minister
of finance [Bambang Brodjonegoro]. You have a new minister of finance, but at
the G-20 we’ll be meeting very often. We actually will be meeting five times
this year. And the minister of finance will be coming to France in May and I
look forward to meeting him there.
Could you
elaborate on the meeting that you had with the vice president and the finance
minister this morning?
First of
all, we discussed about Indonesia and France’s role in the G-20. Indonesia is
an important member of the G-20. So we have a lot of multilateral issues that
we are working on together. The priorities that the G-20 are working on and
that we discussed are the financial regulations, the fight against tax fraud
and tax evasion, and the forthcoming G-20 [summit]. So those are the
multilateral topics that we discussed.
Another
important multilateral topic that we discussed is the fight against the funding
of terrorism. Both France and Indonesia are very determined to fight against
this. That was another topic that we discussed. This implies that Indonesia has
some improvements that it needs to make if it wants to fight against some of
these more elicit forms of [terrorism funding]. But I felt a very strong will
power in Indonesia to do this.
The second
area that we discussed was the bilateral relationship between France and
Indonesia. In 2011, France and Indonesia signed a high-level cooperation
agreement. Today, Indonesia has a new president and a new government. And the
French government wants to ensure that we work even more closely together with
this new government that has new plans for the economy and [for foreign]
investment.
We already
have quite a long-standing relationship [through] companies like Total, which
is present here in energy in Indonesia for a long time. There’s also Airbus in
the aviation sector. We also believe that there are a lot of new fields where
France can be involved — in new technology in particular, environmental
technology, intelligent cities, infrastructure development. We both agreed that
more cooperation was possible in these fields. These are the two areas that I
discussed with the vice president and the minister of finance this morning.
You
mentioned that both countries could help each other boost their respective
economies; can you explain how Indonesia and France would work on this? What
concrete actions can the countries take?
The
objective of my visit, of this kind of visit, is more general. It’s a political
visit to discuss our political will and to build relationship [between the two
countries]. So I didn’t come here to work on the details.
There are a
number of fields that French companies are already involved in and I think it
could develop further. The transportation sector, which includes aviation,
trains, and also the maritime sector, which is also the one that the Indonesian
government wants to strengthen; major infrastructure projects; technology.
Today I visited the Indonesian weather center at the BMKG [Meteorology,
Climatology and Geophysics Agency] where there’s a cooperation with Meteo
France International, working to improve, to modernize the forecasting system
at the BMKG. So these are a few concrete examples that we discussed. That’s the
cooperation in this visit.
One of the
topics that you discussed was fighting terrorism. What is your view of Islam
and Muslims in Indonesia in light of the recent terrorist attack on the French
satirical newspaper Charlie Hebdo?
The
terrorist attacks in France have been condemned worldwide by the international
community, including by the Indonesian authorities and again today by the vice
president and the minister of finance.
But this is
a threat to all kinds of countries. Indonesia itself has already suffered from
those kind of attacks; the vice president discussed about that today. We are
both determined that we will fight together against terrorism.
As for
religion in France, the French government is committed to protecting all
religions. Islam is actually the second-most-practiced religion in France after
Catholicism. We believe in protecting the places of worship and the practice of
all religions. We’re a secular country. Even though we do not have an official
religion, we do protect all religions. We want to ensure that there’s
absolutely no confusion between any religions as such and the exploitation of
religion for terrorist purposes. I know that this also the position of all
Muslim leaders and also of Muslims in Indonesia.
The attack
has generated a global debate about the ability of Islam and the West to
coexist. Do you think it’s the case that they’re incompatible?
No, I don’t
believe so. I think it’s the terrorist themselves that want people to believe
in this kind of confrontation, that Islam and other forms of society cannot
coexist. I don’t believe that France believes in the clash of civilizations. We
believe in the respect for all forms of religions. We don’t believe that
there’s a confrontation between civilizations or between religions. We want to
fight against all forms of terrorism.
What role
do you think Indonesia can play in helping ease the tensions?
I know that
in Indonesia, which has a majority of Muslims, other religions are also
respected. I think that this vision is very much in line with the world view
that we would like to see. This is where I think Indonesia can have a real
voice and can be heard in majority-Muslim countries — that all other forms of
religions are also respected. I think this the positive face of Islam that we
want to encourage. In addition, we have to fight against terrorism networks.
And France and Indonesia both share this common determination to cut off financing
for terrorism.
How do you
do that?
It’s quite
technical. It requires a lot of exchange of information. It requires
surveillance of financial flows. This takes training and support to bring the
countries up to the level to be able to do this. And France can offer that
support to fight these terrorist networks.
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It Has Always Been There
Let's look at it, because it's all over the news. Are you shocked at the sudden existence of the organization that will remain unnamed [for this channelling]? Where did it come from? How could it be so organized? How could it be so well funded? This organization could have its own country soon! They might as well name it, “The Old Energy Dark Country”, for that's what it will represent.
The barbaric past of humanity comes forward to show its face. It has always been there, hiding under the rocks and between the cracks of civilized humanity. It couldn't show itself until now, but now it has to. It's ugly and it's not for the faint at heart, is it, dear ones? Seeing evil personified in Human action is abhorrent. It is so ugly and so dark that you cannot look upon it with a gentle heart. God is not a part of it and this is obvious.
You're winning! Light is winning! The uprising of dark consciousness would not have shown itself with this strength, or this quickly, if this were not so. This is exactly what I told you to look for, and it is proof that those representing this dark consciousness are in trouble. Dear ones, dark consciousness has always had a tried-and-true system. It lurks in the shadows and influences all the power places of the planet - government, commerce, finance. Suddenly, it can't hide there as well anymore and it's out in the open.
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We gave you the secret before of how to defeat them without taking even one life: Simply take away their funding. They cannot exist without their funding. The funding has to be organized, stored, and distributed. It has to be generated in such a way that it must also go through institutions. Did you hear that? All you have to do is stop the system. Winning won't be done with bombing. It's going to be done with intelligence, clever thinking and financial forensics. It's time to get smart on some of these things and not to be afraid to look at this puzzle differently than you have before. Do not apply the energy they are using in order to fight them, because you won't win. Figure it out. It's the last bastion of organized darkness and evil thinking on this planet coming together to try to survive the assault of your light. Don't be afraid to look at the funding trail, no matter where it takes you.
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